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I have a Colonoscopy April 7 - I looked up the moon and realized it is in Scorpio and shortly after the full moon. This appointment was made in June - next appointment is months away. Hard to pick an appointment to align with astrology. So my question is how to best prepare as it is what it is. I am curious why it is a negative. I would think having a procedure on the same part of the body the sign rules would be to my favor.
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Why would you see the Scorpio moon as negative? I've had 3 colonoscopies and a colonography, due to a brother whose colon cancer was not diagnosed till stage 4. The preparation for the scope is a bit unpleasant, but the colonoscopy itself if a very routine procedure, and a life-saving one, as well.
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Hi,
The colon as part of the intestinal system actually falls under the rulership of Virgo. Ebertin's anatomical correspondences places the individual areas of the system between 2-8 * Virgo.
Scorpio is the sign associated with 'investigation', internally or externally speaking. Virgo and Scorpio make natural soft aspects to each other.
Even the transits of Saturn or Neptune in Pisces, opposing Virgo, could bring the visibly unseen to light.
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I don’t see the procedure as negative, but from my readings having a procedure during the full moon and when the moon is Scorpio is. Although if the intestinal system is ruled by Virgo then maybe less so.
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Scorpio rules the rectum and the process of elimination. I am curious, though, as to your sources. Can you cite them?
The colonoscopy procedure itself is routine. Are you mostly worried that it might show an unwanted medical condition?
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Mrs @waybread
It actually all over the internet everywhere. I cite a few, links below:
The Zodiac Man in Medieval Medical Astrology (scholarsarchive edu). this in PDF, this is a good read but it long, link: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1691&context=rmmra
Scorpio: buttocks, groin, spinal marrow, with the anus and also bladder and their misfortunes such as difficulty in elimination, such as are groin tenesmus,.
Medical Astrology and Astrological Medicine: http://www.homeoint.org/morrell/astrology/medical.htm
Scorpio : The organs of reproduction, bladder, gall, colon and rectum. Sagittarius : The hips, thighs and the sciatic nerves. Capricorn : The knees, joints of ...
Greek Medicine and Medical Astrology: http://www.greekmedicine.net/medical_astrology/The_Signs.html
Scorpio rules the eliminative organs - colon, rectum and bladder, as well as the sexual organs, gonads and genitalia. Sagittarius, the sign of long journeys, ...
Astro-Diagnosis, A Guide to Healing (scared-texts): https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/ros/ad.txt
Scorpio, the sign which rules the rectum, further accentuates the trouble of elimination, showing that ...
How about just Google keywords: "Scorpio rules the rectum and the process of elimination", and here plenty of results pop up in Google .
I study Hellenistic and Medieval astrology, so this was nothing new, I heard it before. In both Hellenistic and Medieval astrology and even Lily mentioned it.
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Although generally speaking traditional and modern astrology have the same sign rulerships within medical astrology, I think major differences come from how the individual astrologer looks upon how each sign works within the part of the physical body it is said to govern. E.g. Scorpio is said to rule the process of elimination, but WHAT is it eliminating? The waste of that which is of no use to the physical body, a process begun by the discrimination of Virgo.
I was brought up on modern astrology techniques. I have always worked from the principle 'the proof is in the pudding'; i.e. 'facts prove the theory', by working with real people and their charts. Do those using the ancient techniques do the same, or is their knowledge in modern times based upon theoretical and not practical study by proven example?
I spent almost an hour in several attempts to copy and paste my son-in-law's chart anonymously here, without success. [I got stuck by 'paint' and couldn't transport the chart to documents. I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. ]
Example: For anyone interested for study purposes the birthdate is 14.01.1968, 16.10. Amsterdam would suffice as birthplace.
During summer of 2022, he began to have intestinal trouble. Dr's diagnosis re: a parasite infection (tr. Mars square tr. Neptune Pisces) and medication eased but didn't cure. In November he began to lose blood (Mars). A scan showed the presence of a tumour (Jupiter) in the rectum, plus lymph node (Venus in Sagittarius in 6th house square Pluto) indications. Transits to the natal chart planets in Virgo at the time show the pattern developing. The stage 2 tumour was too large to treat at the time, so a 7 week course of daily chemo. pills and radiation treatment followed, plus a month's wait for the result. I poured endlessly over his chart, saying to my daughter, " I don't see the signs significant for any operation," and clinged to hope that sec. prog. Mercury in 9th house to natal Pluto in Virgo did not imply anything terminal.
The joy came on 14th March when he heard that the tumour had gone. Nothing to see. Lymph nodes were clear.
My question to those who place the rectum under Scorpio. Is it the sign or the planetary 'function' of Pluto ... in this case in Virgo ... that is relevant in medical astrology? Or was it just a co-incidence of factors?
Generally speaking, is it the sign or the functioning planet, and aspects of the time to them, that should be given precedence in any corresponding association with physical issues?
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CaprLibraSquared said:
I don’t see the procedure as negative, but from my readings having a procedure during the full moon and when the moon is Scorpio is. Although if the intestinal system is ruled by Virgo then maybe less so.
Like Waybread I would be interested as to the source of your information ... astrologically speaking.
Are you perhaps thinking of the rules applied to Moon's influence for/during actual operations? I don't believe a colonoscopy counts as such. It's more an internal examination FOR further factors, wouldn't you say?
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This post is post under "Medical Astrology" sub, my answer fit the sub "Medical Astrology".
I don't study modern, I only study traditional. It is fine whoever study modern, different stroke for different folks. Mrs. waybread asked for source, so I answered her
Btw OP, in medical astrology, you want to have your colonoscopy under a FIXED sign Moon, because the hand of the doctor will be more stable. this go for surgery rule too, if you can schedule your surgery in the day of a fixed sign Moon, the hand of the surgeon will be more stable. I say you go ahead as your schedule date, I don't see what is the problem.
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Frisiangal, thanks for contributing your knowledge of medical astrology.
I don't have the benefit of your medical astrology practice and education, but I do think sometimes the issue isn't so much hard-and-fast rules, but trying to get a more holistic sense of what the chart is telling us. As you know, every planet, sign, and house has multiple valid meanings, so the key is to decipher the ones that best describe the situation or question.
CapraLibra-- A colonoscopy, as Samantha notes, isn't a surgical procedure, so I don't think the traditional "avoid surgery when...." cautions apply. Also, it is becoming increasingly routine, because it can detect polyps and small tumors long before they become troublesome.
I'm sensitized to the benefits of colonoscopies as preventative medicine, because my brother died of colon cancer that wasn't diagnosed till Stage 4.
Possibly your relevant question isn't so much about the actual procedure, but concern about what the doctor might find.
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waybread said:
Frisiangal, thanks for contributing your knowledge of medical astrology.
I don't have the benefit of your medical astrology practice and education, but I do think sometimes the issue isn't so much hard-and-fast rules, but trying to get a more holistic sense of what the chart is telling us. As you know, every planet, sign, and house has multiple valid meanings, so the key is to decipher the ones that best describe the situation or question.
As you must be aware after so many years of forum exchange this has always been my personal belief and approach towards learning how astro. symbology informs why people are as they are. As a result of the teaching methodology of the medical astro. school through which I was taught, hoping to find an answer to WHAT, HOW, and WHY illness occurs has always been of primary importance.
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CapraLibra-- A colonoscopy, as Samantha notes, isn't a surgical procedure, so I don't think the traditional "avoid surgery when...." cautions apply. Also, it is becoming increasingly routine, because it can detect polyps and small tumors long before they become troublesome
As was suggested in my reply #8.
I'm sensitized to the benefits of colonoscopies as preventative medicine, because my brother died of colon cancer that wasn't diagnosed till Stage 4.
Out of interest, were you able to find any transit/progression astro. correspondences to the natal chart?
I checked dates of my grandfather born 10.1.1876 - spring 1953. He died with bowel cancer. Obviously medical proceedures were not as they are today. It was intriguing to see a natal Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto r. T-square across the 3rd decanate of Scorpio-Aquarius-Taurus in the Fixed signs. During spring 1953 a number of ( transit) planets occupied the 3rd decanate of the signs, including Mars-Jupiter square Pluto across Taurus-Leo.
If I counted correctly, s.p. Moon conjunct s.p. Mars in Taurus squared natal/s,p, Pluto.
Pluto/Scorpio appear to be significant in his case. Not an intestinal issue (Virgo?) as such?
Interesting, eh?
Possibly your relevant question isn't so much about the actual procedure, but concern about what the doctor might find.
. I believe that cuts to the core.
No one goes to hospital for fun. It's an indication that something physical isn't as it sgould be.
Hopefully the replies have eased OP's mind.
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Friesiangal, at this date, I don't think I can re-create a "death" chart for an event in 2014. I never did get a time of death.
I did ask a horary question just prior to my first colonoscopy in 2014-- which I requested, given this recent family history. My question was not "Do I have colon cancer?" but "What will be the results of this procedure?"
The chart itself looked dire, until I realized that a VOC moon meant that if I didn't have cancer when I asked the question, the colonoscopy wouldn't reveal any, either. Also, the results were somewhat inconclusive-- the doctor couldn't get the scope all the way up my large intestine. So a colonography a few weeks later was ordered-- and also came up clear.
I've had two colonoscopies since then. They're kind of a nuisance, preparation-wise, but definitely not surgery, as has been noted.